DBW in real world?

[2wheels1man]

Hi.
I have a customer with Mitsubishi Colt CZT with 4G15T engine that has DBW.
We want to convert the car to EMU and I want to know, if the EMU DBW capability is usable.

I've seen the warning that it should only be used on stationary engines.
But seems to me like a couple of BMWs here use it in the car.

Is the system untested? Does it have unpredictable behaviour?

I really don't want to convert the car to cable throttle

Thanks

[PSI-Motor]

Works perfect, use it whenever i can.

[gregpe]

All stand alone manufacturers advertising that dbw is only offroad and dyno use..

Hi.
I have a customer with Mitsubishi Colt CZT with 4G15T engine that has DBW.
We want to convert the car to EMU and I want to know, if the EMU DBW capability is usable.

I've seen the warning that it should only be used on stationary engines.
But seems to me like a couple of BMWs here use it in the car.

Is the system untested? Does it have unpredictable behaviour?

I really don't want to convert the car to cable throttle

Thanks

[Karel]

All stand alone manufacturers advertising that dbw is only offroad and dyno use..

Thanks

Little correction.

All Aftermarket Stand Alone ECUs are just for Offroad/racing aplication, and not for public roads.

[bmwmaster]

Hi

im asking me the same question.
Is DBW usable already and how dificult will the setup be?

I have an m54b30 bmw 3.0l engine with dbw. Now have to decide.....change throttlebody to mechanical
or go the dbw route.

Advantage with dbw would be less changes in intake plenum and better fitted intake lenght.

The mechanical route would need to install m50 plenum from other engine and lot of other changes.

Whats the experience with dbw and emu?

[Kisielisodd]

DBW with EMU is 100% usable. Works like the factory throttle, with all save procedures (if everything is connected)

It is not easy for unexperienced user to set it up, but we offering calibrations for free but throttle must be delivered to US.

[ren]

All stand alone manufacturers advertising that dbw is only offroad and dyno use..

Thanks

Little correction.

All Aftermarket Stand Alone ECUs are just for Offroad/racing aplication, and not for public roads.

Not correct, a few have type approval.

[Jadzwin]

Which one ?

[WHPZach]

All stand alone manufacturers advertising that dbw is only offroad and dyno use..

Thanks

Little correction.

All Aftermarket Stand Alone ECUs are just for Offroad/racing aplication, and not for public roads.

Not correct, a few have type approval.

I seriously doubt this. CARB/EPA certification in the U.S. requires a lot of testing, and you would have to test each car after tuning to guarantee that it meets CARB standards. With a programmable ECU this just isn't possible.

[ren]

Which one ?

It depends where you live, but Apexi PowerFC is UK type approved. There are others, often re-badged or re-used in low volume car manufacture (certainly in the UK).

[Jadzwin]

But they are certified with the car. It is different matter

[ren]

But they are certified with the car. It is different matter

PowerFC? There are also other ECU implant boards that have type approval in the UK.

[bmwmaster]

DBW with EMU is 100% usable. Works like the factory throttle, with all save procedures (if everything is connected)

It is not easy for unexperienced user to set it up, but we offering calibrations for free but throttle must be delivered to US.

Thats sounds like a good service. But as an idea, instead of sending it back and so on, maybe Ecumaster could offer a online service (through webcam)to guide and advice customers how to make it work or do the calibration together.
Wouldn't it be a nice step forward for Ecumasters business? I think for some problems customers also would pay.

Im a business consultant as my main job and digitalization is a big topic for a lot of companys and than earlier a company starts than higher is the benefit.

Then also when I already started to talk about digitalization, your trainings in Poland are a very good idea but your customers are everywhere on the whole world. It would be also a benefit to offer this trainings as an online course.

Sorry for off topic

[gregpe]

DBW with EMU is 100% usable. Works like the factory throttle, with all save procedures (if everything is connected)

It is not easy for unexperienced user to set it up, but we offering calibrations for free but throttle must be delivered to US.

Thats sounds like a good service. But as an idea, instead of sending it back and so on, maybe Ecumaster could offer a online service (through webcam)to guide and advice customers how to make it work or do the calibration together.
Wouldn't it be a nice step forward for Ecumasters business? I think for some problems customers also would pay.

Im a business consultant as my main job and digitalization is a big topic for a lot of companys and than earlier a company starts than higher is the benefit.

Then also when I already started to talk about digitalization, your trainings in Poland are a very good idea but your customers are everywhere on the whole world. It would be also a benefit to offer this trainings as an online course.

Sorry for off topic

so now can you imagine 5 customers and all of them reqired help the same time.. it mean 5 peoples working online to guide .... for lets say 2 hours it mean it is 10 man hours.. and someone has to pay those peoples in this case ecumaster... so overhead for company going ballistic and to compensate price of ecu going times 2... would you be happy about this scenario..

idea is cost efficient solution if someone don't want to attend training and don't have enough knowledge and experience unfortunately forum is the only solution.. or get someone else to made it for you..

did you ever ask your bakery for video help how to bake a bread? or perhaps any other manufacturer od any device for free video help?

[bmwmaster]

Surely at the beginning its not the target to have support for 5 customers at the same time. But one technican could do the support for part time like 4h a day....depending how much work there is.

At the end also when customers send their stuff there it takes work time for at least an technican but maybe more people are involved.

1. Someone has to take the package and maybe give it to the right person
2. The right person has to open it....then maybe check emails what to do or from where it is
3. Then do the adjustment and save it in a file.....send the file or save it on usb-stick and put this in the package
4. Close the package and adress it
5. Send the package to customer

While when everything is managed so that the customer is prepared and connected his hardware (DBW throttle body) to EMU for example
you would get connected with a messenger and remote desktop like teamview and the technican can do adjustments and calibration on the fly.

So at the end you can decide what seems to be more effective and keeps the costs low ?

Surely when you have just one case with one customer your method is better but for an growing company with lot of customers around the world maybe mine.

With your method the transport company earns the money and ecumaster gets no cent. The work has to be done either.
With my method at least a fair amount of money (maybe 10 Eur for case or calibration) could be payed for support.

I would prefer my method because also I would save time for sending and getting package and wouldn't have to wait for my stuff so long.


Everything is a fictive scenario because we don't know how much customers need such support but it is an idea to think about.

[Karel]

Stop writing, and start learning.

[Jadzwin]

We often setup DBW remotely via teamviewer, but the only way to do it good is to have the throttle connected on the desk.

[PSI-Motor]

Like Jadzwin says, 10 times faster and easier to do with the throttle on the bench.

[shrek69]

What is the difference whether the throttle is in car or on bench?

[Jadzwin]

We can measure the spring force and static friction.