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Ford Edis coil pack

Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:26 pm
by Escosn@arc
Hello! I´m Hemppa from Finland and i just receaved my EMU control unit.

My car is Escort RS Cosworth and i trying to install Ford Edis4 ignition on it.
Question is this, Cossies Ecu has two trigger sensors.One sensor on the crankshaft and one inside the distriputor.
Is it possible to use cossies own 4 toothed trigger wheel in Edis ignition system and how should it be done.
Point is that i want to get rid off the coil and disputor ignition and go with the more reliable Edis ignition and use wasted spark ignition.
Edis system use 36-1 Trigger wheel to set the ignition.Cossie crankwheel ignites when the tooth is on sensor.
Can i use only the coilpack from edis or do i have to use module too???

Help!!!

Greetings from North.

Re: Ford Edis coil pack

Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:10 pm
by astra vxr
If you dont want to use the dizzy for the phase sensor you can use the GrpA version which is a cam sensor fitted to the camcover which picks up from an extra shaft fitted to the inlet cam.

Or the other method is use a cam trigger disk off the front cam shaft pulley with a custom bracket and sensor.

failing that have a trigger wheel made up for the bottom pully

Re: Ford Edis coil pack

Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:30 pm
by Escosn@arc
So the best way to install this coilpack to my system is to remake crankshaft pulley and modified it to 36-1 triggerwheel?
I have allready the triggerwheel but i was hoping that i could use the OEM wheel in the ignition.
It is much easier me to modified the crankshaft pulley than trying to modified camshaft/wheel.

Re: Ford Edis coil pack

Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:44 pm
by astra vxr
from what i can remember yes i would just have a 36-1 pully put on my bottom pully and have a bracket for the sensor

im sure somebody else will be able to give you a solution as im a vauxhall person myself and going from installs of megasquirt !

:)

Re: Ford Edis coil pack

Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:24 pm
by Escosn@arc
Cheers mate!I´ll try to figure it out. :D

Re: Ford Edis coil pack

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 4:50 pm
by gregpe
cosworth working well on oem triggers doesn't matter what coil configuration is used..

Re: Ford Edis coil pack

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:50 pm
by Escosn@arc
Ok. Sensors will work,but i need wiring instruction for the 2*2 coilpack what is from Edis system.And is the distributor sensor needed for wasted spark system or can i go only the crankshaft sensor?

Re: Ford Edis coil pack

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 6:31 pm
by gregpe
HI Yes you need distributor sensor as primary is used as multitooth trigger will post here updated application notes later on..

Re: Ford Edis coil pack

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 8:04 pm
by Escosn@arc
Ok.Thanks!
Will be waiting.

Re: Ford Edis coil pack

Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 8:21 am
by Jean Niemi
Moi Hemppa!

Nämä kysymyksesi ja monet muut vastaavat saavat vastauksen Sporttiauton EMU-kurssilla selvällä suomen kielellä.
Katso lisää seuraavasta linkistä:
http://sporttiauto.com/index.php?p=ecumaster-ecu-kurssi

(The same in English: These questions - among many others - are answered at Sporttiauto's EMU-course in Finnish language. See more details from the link.)

Re: Ford Edis coil pack

Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:42 pm
by Escosn@arc
Terve Jean.
Kiitos tarjouksesta.Pistän korvan taakse harkintaan.Voisitte kehitellä online oppitunteja verkossa ettei tarvitsisi liikkua kotikoneelta minnekkään. :)

Re: Ford Edis coil pack

Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 5:25 pm
by gregpe
attached.

Re: Ford Edis coil pack

Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 8:32 pm
by Escosn@arc
Thanks gregpe!!!

Re: Ford Edis coil pack

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:14 pm
by Escosn@arc
I´m so soooorry that i´m not an "paint" artist,but is the wiring for the edis coil pack that works from Emu?
The sensor wirings are pretty clear to me now.

Thanks!

Hemppa.

Re: Ford Edis coil pack

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:35 pm
by astra vxr
looks about right :)

Re: Ford Edis coil pack

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:54 pm
by Escosn@arc
OK.Thank you!I´ll be back with some stupid questions some other day;)

Re: Ford Edis coil pack

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:54 pm
by PBU
gregpe wrote:attached.

I had to remove the 1k resistor to get the ecu working.

Re: Ford Edis coil pack

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:43 pm
by PBU
I used silicone 2.5 mm2 cables for my primary connection.
And a 40 amp gold plated connector from my other hobby. RC helicopter flying. :mrgreen:

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You can see the yellow connector with the 1+4 on it.

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Here you see the 2 yellow silicone cables going to the coil. (+- 1.2 m long)
It is very important ! to use good quality connections and cables for the +12V and prim switching of the coil to keep your losses as low as possible.

Re: Ford Edis coil pack

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:09 pm
by astra vxr
rc helicopter stuff does come in handy at times ;)

Re: Ford Edis coil pack

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:54 pm
by PBU
astra vxr wrote:rc helicopter stuff does come in handy at times ;)
All RC stuff . :D