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Autotune

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:06 pm
by Jadzwin
For autotnune you need to used software 1.134 (www.ecumaster.com/tv)

The Autotune function is a tool used for analyzing gathered log data and help to build VE table.
The process consists from the 3 main steps:

1) Gathering data
2) Processing data
3) Analyzing data and apply VE changes

1. Gathering data
Gathering data is the most important part of the whole process. It is important to keep the engine in steady state in as many load / rpm setpoints. Any data gathered during transient condition (eg. acceleration) will be ignored.
For data collecting the engine coolant should be at normal operating temperature. It is allowed to use EGO correction. Collect data using different gears and different throttle position. The goal is to cover as big VE table area as possible. It is very important to build Lambda/AFR target table before you start the autotune.

2. Processing data
To process data it is important that calibration used for data logging is loaded (or EMU with calibration is connected), and proper datalog is present. The next step is to open Autotune tool (Menu / Tools / Autotune).

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Min./ Max. RPM - The RPM range for valid data samples
Min./ Max. TPS -The TPS range for valid data samples
Min./ Max. MAP - The MAP range for valid data samples
Transients delay - The time after transient condition (fuel resume, acc/decc enrich) during all collected data will be ignored
VE table number - The table that will be modified. It is important that this table must be the same as a table used during data collecting

After pressing OK button, the data is processed and autotune window will appear. This window is also accessible from the left tree view (Log / Autotune).

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3. Analyzing data and apply VE changes

The last step is data analyzing and applying VE changes. The base view is proposed VE table. All cells that are calculated from log are clear, cells that are not calculated are masked (hatched). If you select any cells on Autotune table the corresponding cells on VE and Lambda tables will be also selected.
The table proposed VE shows us the proposed VE values that was calculated based on the log, VE table and Lambda/AFR target table. To apply the changes from selceted cells to the VE table, show context menu (right mouse button) and select Apply selection 100% or Apply selection 50%. Alternatively you can press S button to apply selection 100% and ALT+S buttons to apply selection 50%. Apply 100% means that proposed VE values will be copied to VE table, apply 50% means that the average value of VE table and proposed VE table will be used.

The view Actual Lambda/AFR shows us the measured Lambda/AFR during the data collecting.

The view Number of collected samples shows us how many data samples was used for calculating proposed VE table. The more samples the better proposed VE values.

The view Actual Lambda/AFR difference shows us the difference between Lambda/AFR target and the measured Lambda/AFR. The bigger difference, the bigger VE change is required.

The view Actual VE difference shows us the difference between proposed VE values and current VE table.


Step by step autotune procedure

1. Prepare VE table that allows the engine running and assure that in high engine load the mixture is rich
2. Prepare Lambda/AFR target
3. Drive the car under different load / RPM conditions.
4. Run autotune tool
5. Apply changes in desired VE cells
6. Correct unmodified (not visited during test drive) VE table cells manually to fit them to autone ones. You can use Equalize function (E button on selected cells)
7. Clear the log
8. Repeat the procedure from point 3

Re: Autotune

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:16 pm
by Jadzwin
Tips and tricks:

1. Enable lambda filtering in Sensor / Oxygen sensor

2. You can also change PID settings for WBO
Pumpk kP - 3
Pump kI - 9
Pump kD - 0
Pump integral limit - 350

3. You can use equalize function (E key to smooth the table)

Re: Autotune

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:34 pm
by Alec
What's the point of changing the PID settings for WBO?

Re: Autotune

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:45 pm
by killerbee
What is this filter for oxygen sensor ?

What gives changing pump kp ki kd and integral limit ?

Re: Autotune

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:26 pm
by Jan32
You and your team are amazing. :o
I love the ecumaster poducts. :D

Re: Autotune

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 7:46 pm
by Jadzwin
Ip Pump new pid settings give less noisy Lambda reading.
Lambda sensor filtering apply low pass filter on lambda readings (the curve is more smooth)

Re: Autotune

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 7:46 pm
by Jadzwin
Jan32 wrote:You and your team are amazing. :o
I love the ecumaster poducts. :D
Such comments motivate me for harder work :)

Re: Autotune

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 10:26 pm
by astra vxr
it crashes the software if you alter either tps % all the others are fine this is with out ecu conected

on windows 8.1

Re: Autotune

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 10:31 pm
by astra vxr
Jan32 wrote:You and your team are amazing. :o
I love the ecumaster poducts. :D
ill second that but havent had much chance to play with mine due to work etc

but i do check every day for updates etc so i dont miss anything :)

keep up the good work guys

Re: Autotune

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:48 pm
by derOJ
Two questions....maybe sounds stupid, but

1. would you prefer the new PID settings in general, or only for Autotune?
2. how can I "gather data"?? Just doing log? :roll:

Re: Autotune

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:53 am
by IanWatson
keeps popping up( this device able to work with US windows version) and then just shuts down .so i guess i need it to work with Canadian ? its only when i turn on my car , but worked with earlier versions. and now I cant even get it to run so i can back date the EMU to even get a base map on it .

Re: Autotune

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 12:27 pm
by Jadzwin
Hi Ian!

Please contact our tech support (tech@ecumaster.com) to solve your issue

Re: Autotune

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:45 pm
by Tubaren
IanWatson wrote:keeps popping up( this device able to work with US windows version) and then just shuts down .so i guess i need it to work with Canadian ? its only when i turn on my car , but worked with earlier versions. and now I cant even get it to run so i can back date the EMU to even get a base map on it .



Have you tried to change in ( control panel / Region and language / Location ) to something else ?

Re: Autotune

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 3:11 pm
by Jadzwin
1. I suggest new PID settings in general. However it doesn't influence the sensor readings, but it is a little more smooth
2. You just make a log

derOJ wrote:Two questions....maybe sounds stupid, but

1. would you prefer the new PID settings in general, or only for Autotune?
2. how can I "gather data"?? Just doing log? :roll:

Re: Autotune

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 7:31 am
by ATS_Scott
Im really enjoying autotune, it makes my job much easier! Well done guys!

Re: Autotune

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 10:40 am
by ktsirigotakis
Auto tune rocks!!!! very very nice!!! i blow up my engine yesterday night :lol: stock ca18det gt2860 1.3 bar boost probably pistons stack 8-)

Re: Autotune

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 2:43 pm
by 4takter
It is better to switch lambdacontrol off during Autotune ? Or does it not matter ?

Re: Autotune

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 3:07 pm
by Jadzwin
Doesn't matter. The Autotune algorithm takes EGO correction into consideration.

Re: Autotune

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 8:17 am
by clamp
my autotune don`t save changes in VE table i try 30 times with different Tips and tricks:
my version is 1.157

Re: Autotune

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 5:57 pm
by ATS_Scott
clamp wrote:my autotune don`t save changes in VE table i try 30 times with different Tips and tricks:
my version is 1.157
I have seen this a few times, when using a different version of software and firmware. If I see it happening, I just save all changes, turn off engine, and shut down EMU client, and then re-start.

Make sure you are selecting the correct VE table in the Autotune pop-up.

I have also noticed sometimes the values in the VE table change, but the EMU continues running the old values (verified in log, and Tune display), If I click a cell in the VE table, and hit the +, and then - keys, it "refreshes" the VE table, and all is well.